NA = National Alliance
PM = Prime Minister
Tlar "I am sure of one thing only. Maliki will not be the nominee."
- The President of the SOL still claims the document designating the NA as the largest block, signed by him and Maliki and witnessed by all the other signatories in 2010, is forged.
He is independently declaring the SOL as the largest block and therefore claiming they have the right to choose the PM nominee.
He is still sticking with Maliki.
The only way to solve this is either get the SOL to agree to a vote with all the NA tonight or take this to the Supreme Court for a ruling. The Supreme Court has stated they have already ruled on it in 2010 and don't want to hear the case again.
The SOL would never agree to a vote to decide who is the biggest block because they already know they would lose.
There is 50 MP's in the SOL out of their 95 that are on record as saying they don't support a third term and the SOL would never survive the vote.
There are most likely many more SOL members that are keeping quiet because they are intimidated but would also not support a Maliki third term in a secret ballot.
Even at 45 members the coalition would get the rest of the MP's bringing a vote total of 45 SOL and138 coalition, so we won't see a vote in my opinion because the SOL will be vehemently against voting. This is a tricky situation and I am not sure what the next step is or how they will resolve it quickly.
One article suggested that parliament tomorrow takes on this issue and then parliament would decide who or what constitutes the biggest block. If they do it that way, that would force a vote in the NA and the SOL having only 45 MP's would loose the ability to choose a nominee to the coalition.
The coalition would just out vote the SOL This is one that will go down in the history books.
A guy who everyone knows can't win, is being supported by a group that also knows he can't win.
The SOL won't risk taking an internal vote of their membership because again they would lose Maliki.
More SOL members don't support Maliki than do.
The leadership is using this strictly as a bargaining chip to get immunity.
The SOL leadership has basically destroyed their own party to save themselves.
I don't think their strategy will work because both the Sunni's and Kurd's are now on record saying they want him prosecuted.
The NA Shia party can't grant immunity without alienating the Kurds and the Sunni's. We will just have to see how this plays out. Tlar
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The first signs of a split Shiite .. statement devoid of name-Maliki and al-Shahristani .. and Ameri with Najaf
Mon Aug 04 2014 23:33 | (Voice of Iraq)
long-Presse / Baghdad
Although the National Alliance is trying to pre-empt the parliamentary session on Tuesday, consensus on a single candidate for prime minister during a meeting continues until late at night by those concerned,
but the signals several suggest the difficulty of it, and receive vague on what happens in the House of Representatives, which is supposed to witness the recognition largest bloc, which would cost the president to form a government.
The president of the Liberal bloc parliamentary Zia al-Asadi, confirms in an interview with the "long" that the controversy over the "signature" Nuri al-Maliki and the Declaration of the National Alliance as the biggest bloc, does not make sense,
because the man was present at the press conference which was attended by all the leaders of the coalition, and declared themselves the largest parliamentary bloc, before the parliament session,
as the same press conference and official document impeccable, pointing at the same time that the masses of Badr and independents (about 50 seats in Maliki's coalition) have become their positions clear now to reject the third term and a commitment to the need for change ,
in compliance with the opinion of Najaf reference that you want to open the door to political reform,
which was forced to intervene after the deterioration in the country, and the inability of the Shiite parties to get out a clear position, against the demand of local and international conduct review and change.
But a coalition of state law pre-empted the parliament session to issue Monday afternoon, a statement was described as unclear, confirming that he is the biggest bloc,
despite acknowledging that he remains an integral part of the mass of the Shiite alliance.
The observers noted that the statement remained devoid of any mention of Maliki's nomination, in the first official sign to the possibility of withdrawing his candidacy,
and the first official sign almost, to adherence to the rule of law being the mass of the largest,
in a blow and a clear idea of the Shiite alliance standardized, it may be that mean that the Shiites will enter to parliament divided, for the first time since the fall of Saddam Hussein,
which was expressed by the President of the Liberal bloc, clearly, when he talked about the option of split and go towards the formation of a new block transient communities, excludes al-Maliki, and share with the Sunnis and Kurds to form a coalition government.
He announced a coalition of state law in his statement, his commitment to "constitutional right",
being the largest parliamentary bloc, rejecting any "overflow" on this right, they returned he was "part of the National Alliance, but is still the biggest bloc."
Said the statement posted on the prime minister, "renews its commitment to the coalition of state law considered as a constitutional right the largest parliamentary bloc in accordance with the constitutional contexts, and overtaking on this constitutional right is is unacceptable."
The statement added the phrase involves the paradox of political mysterious, "confirms coalition of state law because it is part of the National Alliance,
although it does not change the fact that the State of Law Coalition is the largest parliamentary bloc legally in the House of Representatives, considering that the National Alliance did not file an official document to Parliament prove that the largest parliamentary bloc in the day of the first meeting of the Council of Representatives. "
And wait for the House of Representatives and one of the thorny issues, of identifying the largest parliamentary bloc, in preparation for the President of the Republic commissioned its candidate to form the next government,
which is still the debate continues on the subject, between the National Alliance, the coalition of state law, and that after deducting the chair of the Parliament and of the Republic.
In this context, stressed the head of the Liberal Zia al-Asadi, said the National Alliance is the largest bloc in the House of Representatives and not the rule of law, and among the coalition said more than once that the parliamentary bloc of the largest number in the presence of al-Maliki and his signature on the document in this regard,
said the National Coalition will take stand out in the event of Maliki's coalition of the Alliance and will be the biggest bloc in agreement with the other blocs.
Diaa al-Asadi said in debate program aired "long" space fully tenth night, "The reality of the situation .. that a coalition of state law is not the biggest bloc, because he Mnazavi with the National Alliance,"
And between al-Asadi that "the coalition announced that more than one form through a press conference, the presence of all the leaders, as well as the announcement that the National Alliance is the biggest bloc in a document, the announcement of its own document, and Maliki afternoon press conference and signed the document which are now" and handed over to the chairman of the parliament, dated before the first session.
And on to accuse al-Maliki of the Liberal block of forging his signature on the biggest bloc, said al-Asadi "If the Liberal bloc forged signature Maliki How accept Mr. Jaafari rigging signing Maliki and how to accept the other partners so,
there is a sign and a clear and Dr. Jaafari knows this document was submitted to the President of Age in the House of Representatives, and I know Mr Salim al has a copy of this book and reliable in the diagnosis of the biggest bloc. "
He said al-Asadi that "the Speaker of the House is not interested in clarifying the biggest bloc, Vaketlh biggest advertises itself if you find sounds that make up the majority or have been enjoying more votes than the rest of the blocks,
it announces itself, not the post of head of the House of Representatives to say this mass is greater than that because he not the point of separation or resolution of,
and responsible for inviting the biggest bloc is the President who will address the Speaker of the House about the biggest bloc, and Mr. Salim al-what he knew of the information available to him confirms that the National Alliance is the biggest bloc. "
He said al-Asadi, "a coalition of state law is the biggest bloc in the event of his release from the National Alliance, as it can not be the biggest bloc, which is part of the National Alliance,
is either the rule of law within the coalition and the latter is the biggest bloc, or come out of the coalition and a coalition of state law is the biggest,
"noting that" if the state law out of the National Alliance, we will have a position and we will go to the national space and form alliances with other partners, and we can shape the biggest bloc. "
The Asadi said "partners of Mr. al-Maliki in the rule of law refuse to state his third, not so we felt it only in the national coalition or the Liberal bloc and the citizen,,
Dr. Hussain al-Shahristani and Hadi al-Ameri (50 seats of the state law) say we are with the opinion of reference and with the opinion of the political majority within the coalition National and with the change.
confirms al-Asadi that "the National Alliance is ready to deal with any candidate of state law, with the exception of al-Maliki," referring to the names circulating in the media about the replacements for the leader of the Dawa Party, is "inaccurate," and that "the coalition has not resolved the name of its candidate yet."
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Great synopsis as always Tlar. Good job.
What a cluster!
Time for Iraq to decide if it's time to play in the big leagues. Not sure if it's all Iraq or in part a delay from geopolitics. And please don't tell me it's all about Iraq when the same things were said about the last election 4 years ago. "If we can just get the government seated it will RV" and here we are four years later.
Sky.. it's nothing like it was 4 yeras ago...
Sky, as Blue said.
It's nothing like four years ago. tlar
If we are to believe this article as factual and I do, the coalition must have not filed in contest to the SOL in the first parliamentary meeting for position as the largest block.
Only the SOL filed for this position and they are using it as a justification to argue their position.
This implies the coalition was unaware at that time of the document declaring the NA as the largest block and only recently realized or remembered the existence of that document signed by all in 2010.
This would be the first mistake they have made and has caused every successive argument around this issue since that 1st parliamentary session.
It was a crucial mistake and has caused the delay in choosing a PM .
Had they just filled out the paperwork stating the NA has the right to choose the nominee and not the SOL, we probably would not have had to go through all the crap. tlar
State of Law: reject overtaking on the constitutional right
Looking infallible with Jaafari national benefits
BAGHDAD – morning -- Search President Fuad Masum, with the head of the National Alliance, Ibrahim al-Jaafari complete benefits of the remaining national and represented commissioned by the President of the largest bloc in the formation of the next government, and while stressing a coalition of state law as the largest parliamentary bloc, it must cost a candidate to form a government,
because the National Alliance did not file an official document to Parliament to prove it the largest parliamentary bloc, warned Vice President Khodair al, of the danger of gangs of satisfaction on the security and stability of Iraq and the region,
stressing the need to treat the democratic path option Iraqis only and respect timings constitutional and peaceful transfer of power.
issued a coalition of state law, yesterday, issued a new adherence to the constitutional right as the largest bloc in the House of Representatives legal, pointing out that the candidate is the cost of the formation of the next government, and confirmed that he is part of the National Alliance.
The coalition said in a statement obtained by the «morning» a copy of it, «we renew our adherence to the constitutional right As the largest parliamentary bloc in accordance with the constitutional contexts», adding that «overtaking on this constitutional right order is rejected.
He added that «coalition of state law is part of the National Alliance, however, does not alter the fact that the State of Law coalition is the largest parliamentary bloc legally in the House of Representatives ‘
as the National Alliance did not file an official document to Parliament to prove it the largest parliamentary bloc in the day of the first meeting of the Council of House »The statement continued,» that «coalition of state law renews the candidate of the coalition is the cost to form the next government as a constitutional right to a fixed block».
Why is the NA's non submission of paperwork at the first Parliamentary meeting a debacle if in fact [as articles stated several days ago] Jubouri has the Constitutional authority to call the largest bloc -- which he did, calling the NA the largest bloc.
Does he or does he not have Constitutional authority to call the largest bloc, please?
Buttercup, That is what he said and what I thought.
It is only because of the coalition's continuing to fight this issue with the SOL that puts us on unsure footing.
Why keep arguing with the SOL over this topic?
If that decision has truly been made constitutionally by al-Jubouri, then why bother continuing to negotiate with the SOL.
The coalition should just announce their nominee and move on. Something is wrong and not making sense to me as I too had thought this was decided.
Like I said earlier, we will just have to watch and see how this comes out. I am sure of one thing only.
Maliki will not be the nominee. tlar
Brought To The Discussion From Millionday Roundtable:
[millionday] Considered the Liberal bloc, Monday, presenting a coalition of state law candidate for prime minister in the parliament session tomorrow individually that exceeded the National Alliance and out of it, saying that it would be the biggest loser,
as revealed to Parliament Speaker Salim al-student president Fuad Masum, commissioned by the National Alliance to form a government Being the largest bloc.
The MP said the Liberal block F Bureau: "The rule of law is the mass within the National Alliance and submit its candidate for prime minister in a parliamentary session tomorrow individually represents an encroachment on the coalition and get out of it,"
stressing that "the rule of law are the biggest bloc in the National Alliance, and not in the House of Representatives. "
[millionday] NOTE -- THEY TOLD US THEY WOULD BE ANNOUNCING THIS BY TOMORROW AND ONCE AGAIN THEY ARE A DAY EARLY --- VERY INTERESTING TO SEE THEM COMPLETE RESPONSIBILITIES EARLY
[millionday] He said the Court that "the rule of law will be the biggest loser if he tried to get out of the National Alliance, and this will open the door blocks the Sunni and Shia to join a coalition to form the next government,"
pointing out that "Parliament Speaker Salim al had demanded President Fuad Masum, as the National Alliance as the biggest bloc and instructed to submit its candidate for prime minister and form a government.
[millionday] SO THEY HAD SAID AS WELL THAT NEXT TUESDAY THEY WOULD HAVE THE GOV FORMED SO WITH THIS PATTERN OF NOW DOING THINGS EARLY -- THIS IS ENCOURAGING
[millionday] MALIKI`S PARTY IS NOT THE LARGEST GROUP IN PARLIAMENT--
IT IS STATED FORMALLY TODAY SO NOW THE NEW PM WILL BE CHOSEN FROM THE NATIONAL ALLIANCE
- THEY WERE MAKE THE FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT TOMORROW BUT THEY MADE IT EARLY -- THEY MADE THE ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY