Tlar & Friends Comments From Earlier Post: Tlar Email
Preacher Man:
Good Morning Tlar, I think in a few days, we will be seeing lots of changes,
Be positive my friends, I believe we are turning the corner..
DreamWeaver:
Tlar, good heads up on ISIS and 10,000 notes.
You amaze in how you pull info together in concise manner.
Much appreciated ... as always.
Only thing I don't agree with you on is new government may be seated by Sunday or even much before 30 day constitutional deadline.
Firstly, new government can't be seated until PM is nominated and selects his cabinet and then that group is voted on by Parliament.
If they win, they are seated.
Viola.
New government.
DreamWeaver Continues: So far they have taken their time in unfolding this process ... going almost up to the constitutional deadlines ... and I expect them to continue much the same way. The perception that they are organized and motivated and the newly-nominated PM will instantly announce his selected cabinet, IMO, just isn't logical as that's not how they have been proceeding.
I expect them to walk this along almost to the 30 day deadline, then have the PM and cabinet elected and seated. Certainly don't want it to be that way ... and not trying to bring anyone down ... not even myself ... but it's not logical nor their MO to act expeditiously as they are basically the definition of "pussyfooters" on this one:
"To move stealthily or cautiously."
Not a bad thing.
Actually, just the opposite.
Taking their time to do it right.
It's all good, though, as they are making great strides.
Know your thoughts are based on research and/or intel, but I do believe you are incorrect in your optimistic approach to Iraq forming their government and the timing of RV, Tlar. You've believed it would happen since July 1st because you are steadfast in your optimistism that they intend to rapidly move through the process. I, as a fellow researcher ... though not even close to being in your league ... far from it ... see it another way.
PM will be nominated by Monday ... not Maliki ... and cabinet will be announced over a period of a few weeks--before 30-day deadline ... and the new GOI will be seated by September 15th, with RV before end of September ... I'm guessing around September 17th for a specific reason. :)
Just can't see it any other way, but I sure hope YOU are right, Tlar as it would give us a new definition of "soon." ;)
Absolutely no disrespect intended, my friend, but you and I aren't on the same page on this one.
BUT we are definitely on the same team. Best. ~ DW
Lojak:
I have refrained from posting for several weeks, but I wanted to emphasize a couple of very important points. Two major hurdles were crossed yesterday.
1) Masoum has now dictated that the National Alliance is the largest bloc. The SOL has recognized that fact, as they have been meeting with the Alliance to come up with THE name.
2) the SOL has dumped Maliki, and is taking two names into the Alliance meeting with them--Najm and Abadi.
It is those two things yesterday that all should be very happy about. Now that the largest bloc is settled and the SOL has relented and agreed to nominate someone--the rest is "gravy". I would anticipate that we will see a name by tomorrow.
We checked with our sources at the State Department yesterday about the possibility of Abadi being the new guy. I was concerned that another SOL guy was about win.
They responded that he would be a very good candidate and the US would fully support his nomination.
As was posted here yesterday, he was formally the head of the Parl. Finance committee and is very publically pro RV.
Once we see the new PM seated, once again Obama will pop out and announce boots on the ground in Iraq, and a coalition of countries will join us in irradicating ISIS. Jabouri has been working to get many, many laws passed behind the scenes that you guys dont know about--which is why the Parl. web site is down alot. Once the new PM is in position, our RV will be shown. Stay tuned.
Here is a great contrition article from the SOL, along with an article spelling out the largest bloc...
Union forces: the infallible law, but will not cost the National Alliance
By Khabaar Khaba four ten a.m. 08/08/2014 | Views: 246 Brother - Baghdad
Confirmed the MP for the coalition forces Iraqi Nahida Daini, on Friday, that the President Fuad Masum, will cost a candidate of the National Alliance to form the next government as the biggest bloc, while ruling out the assignment for the State of Law coalition.
said the MP for the coalition forces Nahida Daini in a press statement seen by the Agency for News News ( et al) , "The President of the Republic Fuad Masum, will cost the National Alliance as the biggest bloc, which carry 180 deputies to submit a candidate to form a government during the constitutional period."
and ruled out Daini "mandated infallible for a coalition of state law to submit its candidate and the formation of the government," indicating that the "Book of the Federal Court is clear that the largest parliamentary bloc is the formation of the government, not the winning list in the elections. "
An alliance Iraqi forces confirmed, in (August 5, 2014), that he will not vote for any candidate for the office of Prime Minister outside the framework of the National Alliance, and asked for the latter decisively named its candidate for the post, according to the timing of the constitutional , reiterated his rejection of the third mandate of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki.
confirmed a coalition of state law, earlier today, Friday (8 August 2014), it will be assigned in the parliament session next Sunday to form a government headed by a candidate only Prime Minister outgoing Nuri al-Maliki, and as explained that the largest bloc being presented papers formally to the House of Representatives and the Federal Court, between the National Alliance could not agree on the provision of a single candidate.
noted that the Reform Movement led by Ibrahim al-Jaafari announced on Thursday (7 August 2014), that the National Alliance is very close to the nomination Personal acceptable nationally for prime minister.
http://khabaar.net/i...link/26846.html
State law: not cling to positions and we are with reference
By Adminmo 08/08/2014 2:21 a.m. | Brother - Baghdad
Confirmed a coalition of state law not to cling to his coalition positions and that with the demands of the religious authority to form a government acceptable to the national scale.
and MP for the law Abbas Alkhozai in a press statement seen by the Agency for News News (et) "We will not cling to positions, but claim to be prime minister, Nuri Maliki came on the basis of the election event. "
and "We are with the demands of the Supreme religious authority, through the formation of a government acceptable to the national scale, and will not get out our vote for what you want the supreme authority in Najaf."
rejects political parties several take Prime Minister al-Maliki for a third term, timeshare which confirms the parties in the National Alliance on the importance of resolving the candidate for prime minister and the non-renewal of the owners.
called Supreme religious authority, in the words of its representative in the holy city of Karbala, the parties concerned to exercise the spirit of national responsibility and the work principle of sacrifice and self-denial and not cling to sites and positions and to deal with circumstances realistically and provide interests general of the Iraqi people on some personal gains.
, and was the site of supreme religious authority in Najaf, Ayatollah Sistani that the highest religious authority has sent signals to Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki not to cling to his job.
and publish the site on the main interface press report earlier in the title (Mr. Sistani sends signals for the owners not to cling to) which stated that "the supreme religious authority, Mr. Sistani (long live) called for a new government within 15 days and not to cling to office officials have formed, in an apparent reference to al-Maliki's insistence on a third term in the presidency."
http://khabaar.net/i...link/26837.html
Schiz:
Was wondering where you had got to, welcome back Lojak :)
Schiz:
DW they take their time and still end up screwing it up
DreamWeaver:
Schiz , :lol: ... that's just how they roll in Iraq, Schiz. Not my cup of tea, but I'd sure love to share a cup of that awesome PG Tips tea with you some day... Tell stories and laugh to the point the proprietor asks (demands) us to leave.
Good times for sure. Blessings. DW.
DreamWeaver:
Lojak, thought you were on a secret mission ... as you'd gone dark. ;) Good to see you back and thanks for the post.
Explains the good feelings I've had about what is going on behind the scenes in Iraq.
No matter when it happens, I cannot be anything but grateful, optimistic and peaceful about the RVs occurrence.
Blessings to all.
Great group here. DW
Brenda:
...good to see you back lojak..your input with Tlar's is what we are anxious to hear at this time...no offense to anyone else and their opinions...we watch, read, and wait...
Ralph:
TLar, as always, thanks for your analysis of the situation!!!
lojak, hope you keep on posting buddy! Good to see you back!!
schiz- still waiting for that Blood Pumping new tune called "El Dinar!!"
Tlar:
Lojak, thanks for the articles. What a great article.
It sets the stage for a PM nominee on Sunday/Monday.
Depending on who it is we could see his ministerial list the same day also.
WD thanks for pointing out the government won't be seated.
You are correct.
I would like to say what I meant was that once a new PM nominee acceptable to all is chosen, you can consider the government set. Better? Lojak, you are the real intel guru of this crowd. tlar
Rocko:
Thanks Lojak. Your intel helps to fill in some of the pieces of the puzzle.
Jackt:
Im no intel expert here but just curious about a different angle.Tlar or anyone would like your opinions. If Iraq, U.S., Kurds etc are holding back on seriously kicking out ISIS until Malarky is definitely out why aren't they pushing harder to expedite his removal appointment the new PM apointment, GOI etc very soon
otherwise ISIS will get more of an upper hand and it will be much harder to extract them in 10,20 or 30 days. I'm thinking we'll see this to a conclusion by next week due to the urgency of this growing threat. I know its crazy Iraq but any thoughts?
Buttercup:
lojak, you're back! been missin you! Thanks so very much for your post.
And all you others here on the baddest board in dinarland. Appreciate you all! :)
hi-five:
Great info to get my day started!
Thanks Tlar and Lojak.
We appreciate all your efforts and work to keep us grounded and aware.
Tlar:
Lojak, thanks for the articles. What a great article.
It sets the stage for a PM nominee on Sunday/Monday.
Depending on who it is we could see his ministerial list the same day also.
WD thanks for pointing out the government won't be seated. You are correct.
I would like to say what I meant was that once a new PM nominee acceptable to all is chosen, you can consider the government set. Better? Lojak, you are the real intel guru of this crowd. tlar
Jackt:
Im no intel expert here but just curious about a different angle.Tlar or anyone would like your opinions. If Iraq, U.S., Kurds etc are holding back on seriously kicking out ISIS until Malarky is definitely out why aren't they pushing harder to expedite his removal appointment the new PM apointment, GOI etc very soon otherwise ISIS will get more of an upper hand and it will be much harder to extract them in 10,20 or 30 days. I'm thinking we'll see this to a conclusion by next week due to the urgency of this growing threat. I know its crazy Iraq but any thoughts?
Ralph:
From DU observer- Abdulrahman Hamdi @havall73 • 19h
…news circulating widely tonight: 1- US jets strike ISIS in Gwer. 2- #Maliki lost internal voting within the Shiite coalition!!
Ralph:
Brett McGurk @brett_mcgurk · 8m Pentagon: At approximately 6:45 a.m. EDT, the U.S. military conducted a targeted airstrike against #ISIL terrorists. #Iraq #ISIS
JBG:
Tlar and Lojak,,,you rock!!!!!......I prefer to be told intel you may know, even if it doesn't happen exactly when you hear it is going to happen....than articles that may or may not be true...or opinions that get "really out there"...thanks to both of you....
Brule:
I think any PM candidate knows today exactly who he will put forward in the COM. The COM can be presented and voted on in a day, and that could include voting on the PM as well, if they wanted to.
By Wednesday or Thursday of next week the government could be seated IMO. Iraqis are being killed and their country is being bombed, Maliki is gone theoretically, and this is not four years ago. It can happen.
DreamWeaver:
Tlar, Thanks for clarifying, Tlar, as I'm truly hoping by Monday we see not only PM but also his list. Just seems extraordinary that they could move that fast.
Though I consider myself an optimist, you, Tlar, you an Optamatapus Extraordinaire. Big smile as I'm in your corner and will try to stop yanking on your cape every once in a while to point out THIS IS IRAQ ... famous for pulling last minute Crazy Ivans (from "Hunt for Red October"). :D Great stuff today and fully expect it to continue as we are in the RV zone for sure.
JTDinar:
DW, with the reappearance of our AWOL Lojak and his awesome post, have you changed your stance a bit? Lojak, I had wondered about the Parliament Web and figured the same.
Thanks for the confirmation. So you say "seated PM".....how long do you think they will take?
Once we see the nomination, when must the vote take place? Do you feel as Blue and Tlar have mentioned that the CoM is already lined up and ready to go? Going off of their history I'm in line with DW that they will take their sweet arse time.....appreciate your return and post
DreamWeaver:
JT, as far as what you have addressed to me. No, I haven't changed my stance at all, as it is based on my beliefs and not those of others. Beliefs based on research, logic, observation, and intuition. Same as I always do.
Though I respect Tlar and Lojak and all on this board, I can't abandon my own logic. Anyway, bottom line is that we won't really know who amongst us has deciphered this puzzle correctly until it happens ... and then we won't care.
I just can't see the newly nominated PM announcing his cabinet within a day or two or even a couple of weeks of being nominated. Why?
Because the newly elected Speaker and President positions weren't rushed. Went to the deadline.
Some basking involved. :) So, I'm assuming newly nominated PM will do some basking ... for an acceptable amount of time ... even if he already has his cabinet lined up (which I think is true by the way).
IMO, it just won't surprise me to see this go nearly the full 30 days before new PM and cabinet are elected and seated ... and I expect it to atleast go a couple of weeks at a minimum.
Even then I don't see the RV until ISIS is completely obliterated. That' just how I've intepreted Turki's statement and I'm going to stand pat with that until I see something in the articles or in a move by Parliament or Turki, etc. that changes my mind.
Way back, when others were saying Maliki would be gone, I never saw him relenting or resigning or giving up until he was dragged out kicking and screaming. And I never saw SOL relenting about Maliki, for the good of their party, either. That is proving accurate.
Though my view on this probably isn't all that popular. :) No worries. I'm not into ego. Just sharing thoughts and enjoying the company of this group. Best ~ DW.
KJWayne:
Iraq is Iraq. We've all been waiting for a long time. Alittle longer will not change anything. Besides ,what can we do about it, nothing! DO NOT LET THIS GET TO YOU! It will happen in its own time frame. Go hug someone and feel better about yourself.
DeamWeaver:
KJ, although I've always been a hugger with my husband ... I've started to hug my family and friends again ... since your heartfelt post, shared with this group.
Valuing people and letting them know they matter and they are loved or even liked is now uppermost in my mind. thank you for replanting a seed that I let wither over the years as I felt I was being too demonstrative. Now I just go for it! :) You are oh so right, KJ. Blessings
Brule:
Even ISIS can pull together a government quickly:
Organization "Daash" terrorist announce the formation of "the first government in Iraq and the Levant" after the announcement of the succession Baghdadi
News Source: Ali Abd al-SalmanSection:
August 8, 2014 12:08
Announced the organization of "the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant" (Daash) terrorist formation of what is called "the first government in Iraq and the Levant" after the announcement of succession to the terrorist called «Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi».
A spokesman for the terrorist organization Daash called «Abu Mohammed Adnani» in a video clip posted on the sites belonging to the Daash was formed the so-called Ministry of Islamic.
This was followed by the terrorist Adnani the names of the new ministers, who are the terrorists «Abu Abdul Rahman agricultural» and the first minister to the faithful, and «Abu Hamza al-Muhajir» minister of war, and «Abu Othman al-Tamimi» Minister of bodies legitimacy, «Abu Bakr al-Jubouri» Minister of Public Relations, «Abu Abdul-Jabbar al-Janabi »Minister of Public Security,« Abu Mohammed al-Mashhadani »Minister of Information,« Abu Abd al-Qadir al-Issawi »Minister for Affairs of martyrs and prisoners,« Abu Mohammed al-Janabi »oil minister,« Mustafa al-Araji »Minister of Agriculture and Fisheries,« Abu Abdullah al-Zaidi » Minister of Health.
http://burathanews.com/news/244458.html
JBG:
Years ago Allawi said if he was PM he could seat a government in 2 days so these guys should be able to do the same thing....
much more at stake these days than four years ago....and no Maliki this time............
his days of getting in the way are over and it is time for him to face the facts and go away....wishing out loud.
http://www.currencychatter.com/apps/forums/topics/show/12982085-email-to-family-08-08-14?page=2
Preacher Man:
Good Morning Tlar, I think in a few days, we will be seeing lots of changes,
Be positive my friends, I believe we are turning the corner..
DreamWeaver:
Tlar, good heads up on ISIS and 10,000 notes.
You amaze in how you pull info together in concise manner.
Much appreciated ... as always.
Only thing I don't agree with you on is new government may be seated by Sunday or even much before 30 day constitutional deadline.
Firstly, new government can't be seated until PM is nominated and selects his cabinet and then that group is voted on by Parliament.
If they win, they are seated.
Viola.
New government.
DreamWeaver Continues: So far they have taken their time in unfolding this process ... going almost up to the constitutional deadlines ... and I expect them to continue much the same way. The perception that they are organized and motivated and the newly-nominated PM will instantly announce his selected cabinet, IMO, just isn't logical as that's not how they have been proceeding.
I expect them to walk this along almost to the 30 day deadline, then have the PM and cabinet elected and seated. Certainly don't want it to be that way ... and not trying to bring anyone down ... not even myself ... but it's not logical nor their MO to act expeditiously as they are basically the definition of "pussyfooters" on this one:
"To move stealthily or cautiously."
Not a bad thing.
Actually, just the opposite.
Taking their time to do it right.
It's all good, though, as they are making great strides.
Know your thoughts are based on research and/or intel, but I do believe you are incorrect in your optimistic approach to Iraq forming their government and the timing of RV, Tlar. You've believed it would happen since July 1st because you are steadfast in your optimistism that they intend to rapidly move through the process. I, as a fellow researcher ... though not even close to being in your league ... far from it ... see it another way.
PM will be nominated by Monday ... not Maliki ... and cabinet will be announced over a period of a few weeks--before 30-day deadline ... and the new GOI will be seated by September 15th, with RV before end of September ... I'm guessing around September 17th for a specific reason. :)
Just can't see it any other way, but I sure hope YOU are right, Tlar as it would give us a new definition of "soon." ;)
Absolutely no disrespect intended, my friend, but you and I aren't on the same page on this one.
BUT we are definitely on the same team. Best. ~ DW
Lojak:
I have refrained from posting for several weeks, but I wanted to emphasize a couple of very important points. Two major hurdles were crossed yesterday.
1) Masoum has now dictated that the National Alliance is the largest bloc. The SOL has recognized that fact, as they have been meeting with the Alliance to come up with THE name.
2) the SOL has dumped Maliki, and is taking two names into the Alliance meeting with them--Najm and Abadi.
It is those two things yesterday that all should be very happy about. Now that the largest bloc is settled and the SOL has relented and agreed to nominate someone--the rest is "gravy". I would anticipate that we will see a name by tomorrow.
We checked with our sources at the State Department yesterday about the possibility of Abadi being the new guy. I was concerned that another SOL guy was about win.
They responded that he would be a very good candidate and the US would fully support his nomination.
As was posted here yesterday, he was formally the head of the Parl. Finance committee and is very publically pro RV.
Once we see the new PM seated, once again Obama will pop out and announce boots on the ground in Iraq, and a coalition of countries will join us in irradicating ISIS. Jabouri has been working to get many, many laws passed behind the scenes that you guys dont know about--which is why the Parl. web site is down alot. Once the new PM is in position, our RV will be shown. Stay tuned.
Here is a great contrition article from the SOL, along with an article spelling out the largest bloc...
Union forces: the infallible law, but will not cost the National Alliance
By Khabaar Khaba four ten a.m. 08/08/2014 | Views: 246 Brother - Baghdad
Confirmed the MP for the coalition forces Iraqi Nahida Daini, on Friday, that the President Fuad Masum, will cost a candidate of the National Alliance to form the next government as the biggest bloc, while ruling out the assignment for the State of Law coalition.
said the MP for the coalition forces Nahida Daini in a press statement seen by the Agency for News News ( et al) , "The President of the Republic Fuad Masum, will cost the National Alliance as the biggest bloc, which carry 180 deputies to submit a candidate to form a government during the constitutional period."
and ruled out Daini "mandated infallible for a coalition of state law to submit its candidate and the formation of the government," indicating that the "Book of the Federal Court is clear that the largest parliamentary bloc is the formation of the government, not the winning list in the elections. "
An alliance Iraqi forces confirmed, in (August 5, 2014), that he will not vote for any candidate for the office of Prime Minister outside the framework of the National Alliance, and asked for the latter decisively named its candidate for the post, according to the timing of the constitutional , reiterated his rejection of the third mandate of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki.
confirmed a coalition of state law, earlier today, Friday (8 August 2014), it will be assigned in the parliament session next Sunday to form a government headed by a candidate only Prime Minister outgoing Nuri al-Maliki, and as explained that the largest bloc being presented papers formally to the House of Representatives and the Federal Court, between the National Alliance could not agree on the provision of a single candidate.
noted that the Reform Movement led by Ibrahim al-Jaafari announced on Thursday (7 August 2014), that the National Alliance is very close to the nomination Personal acceptable nationally for prime minister.
http://khabaar.net/i...link/26846.html
State law: not cling to positions and we are with reference
By Adminmo 08/08/2014 2:21 a.m. | Brother - Baghdad
Confirmed a coalition of state law not to cling to his coalition positions and that with the demands of the religious authority to form a government acceptable to the national scale.
and MP for the law Abbas Alkhozai in a press statement seen by the Agency for News News (et) "We will not cling to positions, but claim to be prime minister, Nuri Maliki came on the basis of the election event. "
and "We are with the demands of the Supreme religious authority, through the formation of a government acceptable to the national scale, and will not get out our vote for what you want the supreme authority in Najaf."
rejects political parties several take Prime Minister al-Maliki for a third term, timeshare which confirms the parties in the National Alliance on the importance of resolving the candidate for prime minister and the non-renewal of the owners.
called Supreme religious authority, in the words of its representative in the holy city of Karbala, the parties concerned to exercise the spirit of national responsibility and the work principle of sacrifice and self-denial and not cling to sites and positions and to deal with circumstances realistically and provide interests general of the Iraqi people on some personal gains.
, and was the site of supreme religious authority in Najaf, Ayatollah Sistani that the highest religious authority has sent signals to Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki not to cling to his job.
and publish the site on the main interface press report earlier in the title (Mr. Sistani sends signals for the owners not to cling to) which stated that "the supreme religious authority, Mr. Sistani (long live) called for a new government within 15 days and not to cling to office officials have formed, in an apparent reference to al-Maliki's insistence on a third term in the presidency."
http://khabaar.net/i...link/26837.html
Schiz:
Was wondering where you had got to, welcome back Lojak :)
Schiz:
DW they take their time and still end up screwing it up
DreamWeaver:
Schiz , :lol: ... that's just how they roll in Iraq, Schiz. Not my cup of tea, but I'd sure love to share a cup of that awesome PG Tips tea with you some day... Tell stories and laugh to the point the proprietor asks (demands) us to leave.
Good times for sure. Blessings. DW.
DreamWeaver:
Lojak, thought you were on a secret mission ... as you'd gone dark. ;) Good to see you back and thanks for the post.
Explains the good feelings I've had about what is going on behind the scenes in Iraq.
No matter when it happens, I cannot be anything but grateful, optimistic and peaceful about the RVs occurrence.
Blessings to all.
Great group here. DW
Brenda:
...good to see you back lojak..your input with Tlar's is what we are anxious to hear at this time...no offense to anyone else and their opinions...we watch, read, and wait...
Ralph:
TLar, as always, thanks for your analysis of the situation!!!
lojak, hope you keep on posting buddy! Good to see you back!!
schiz- still waiting for that Blood Pumping new tune called "El Dinar!!"
Tlar:
Lojak, thanks for the articles. What a great article.
It sets the stage for a PM nominee on Sunday/Monday.
Depending on who it is we could see his ministerial list the same day also.
WD thanks for pointing out the government won't be seated.
You are correct.
I would like to say what I meant was that once a new PM nominee acceptable to all is chosen, you can consider the government set. Better? Lojak, you are the real intel guru of this crowd. tlar
Rocko:
Thanks Lojak. Your intel helps to fill in some of the pieces of the puzzle.
Jackt:
Im no intel expert here but just curious about a different angle.Tlar or anyone would like your opinions. If Iraq, U.S., Kurds etc are holding back on seriously kicking out ISIS until Malarky is definitely out why aren't they pushing harder to expedite his removal appointment the new PM apointment, GOI etc very soon
otherwise ISIS will get more of an upper hand and it will be much harder to extract them in 10,20 or 30 days. I'm thinking we'll see this to a conclusion by next week due to the urgency of this growing threat. I know its crazy Iraq but any thoughts?
Buttercup:
lojak, you're back! been missin you! Thanks so very much for your post.
And all you others here on the baddest board in dinarland. Appreciate you all! :)
hi-five:
Great info to get my day started!
Thanks Tlar and Lojak.
We appreciate all your efforts and work to keep us grounded and aware.
Tlar:
Lojak, thanks for the articles. What a great article.
It sets the stage for a PM nominee on Sunday/Monday.
Depending on who it is we could see his ministerial list the same day also.
WD thanks for pointing out the government won't be seated. You are correct.
I would like to say what I meant was that once a new PM nominee acceptable to all is chosen, you can consider the government set. Better? Lojak, you are the real intel guru of this crowd. tlar
Jackt:
Im no intel expert here but just curious about a different angle.Tlar or anyone would like your opinions. If Iraq, U.S., Kurds etc are holding back on seriously kicking out ISIS until Malarky is definitely out why aren't they pushing harder to expedite his removal appointment the new PM apointment, GOI etc very soon otherwise ISIS will get more of an upper hand and it will be much harder to extract them in 10,20 or 30 days. I'm thinking we'll see this to a conclusion by next week due to the urgency of this growing threat. I know its crazy Iraq but any thoughts?
Ralph:
From DU observer- Abdulrahman Hamdi @havall73 • 19h
…news circulating widely tonight: 1- US jets strike ISIS in Gwer. 2- #Maliki lost internal voting within the Shiite coalition!!
Ralph:
Brett McGurk @brett_mcgurk · 8m Pentagon: At approximately 6:45 a.m. EDT, the U.S. military conducted a targeted airstrike against #ISIL terrorists. #Iraq #ISIS
JBG:
Tlar and Lojak,,,you rock!!!!!......I prefer to be told intel you may know, even if it doesn't happen exactly when you hear it is going to happen....than articles that may or may not be true...or opinions that get "really out there"...thanks to both of you....
Brule:
I think any PM candidate knows today exactly who he will put forward in the COM. The COM can be presented and voted on in a day, and that could include voting on the PM as well, if they wanted to.
By Wednesday or Thursday of next week the government could be seated IMO. Iraqis are being killed and their country is being bombed, Maliki is gone theoretically, and this is not four years ago. It can happen.
DreamWeaver:
Tlar, Thanks for clarifying, Tlar, as I'm truly hoping by Monday we see not only PM but also his list. Just seems extraordinary that they could move that fast.
Though I consider myself an optimist, you, Tlar, you an Optamatapus Extraordinaire. Big smile as I'm in your corner and will try to stop yanking on your cape every once in a while to point out THIS IS IRAQ ... famous for pulling last minute Crazy Ivans (from "Hunt for Red October"). :D Great stuff today and fully expect it to continue as we are in the RV zone for sure.
JTDinar:
DW, with the reappearance of our AWOL Lojak and his awesome post, have you changed your stance a bit? Lojak, I had wondered about the Parliament Web and figured the same.
Thanks for the confirmation. So you say "seated PM".....how long do you think they will take?
Once we see the nomination, when must the vote take place? Do you feel as Blue and Tlar have mentioned that the CoM is already lined up and ready to go? Going off of their history I'm in line with DW that they will take their sweet arse time.....appreciate your return and post
DreamWeaver:
JT, as far as what you have addressed to me. No, I haven't changed my stance at all, as it is based on my beliefs and not those of others. Beliefs based on research, logic, observation, and intuition. Same as I always do.
Though I respect Tlar and Lojak and all on this board, I can't abandon my own logic. Anyway, bottom line is that we won't really know who amongst us has deciphered this puzzle correctly until it happens ... and then we won't care.
I just can't see the newly nominated PM announcing his cabinet within a day or two or even a couple of weeks of being nominated. Why?
Because the newly elected Speaker and President positions weren't rushed. Went to the deadline.
Some basking involved. :) So, I'm assuming newly nominated PM will do some basking ... for an acceptable amount of time ... even if he already has his cabinet lined up (which I think is true by the way).
IMO, it just won't surprise me to see this go nearly the full 30 days before new PM and cabinet are elected and seated ... and I expect it to atleast go a couple of weeks at a minimum.
Even then I don't see the RV until ISIS is completely obliterated. That' just how I've intepreted Turki's statement and I'm going to stand pat with that until I see something in the articles or in a move by Parliament or Turki, etc. that changes my mind.
Way back, when others were saying Maliki would be gone, I never saw him relenting or resigning or giving up until he was dragged out kicking and screaming. And I never saw SOL relenting about Maliki, for the good of their party, either. That is proving accurate.
Though my view on this probably isn't all that popular. :) No worries. I'm not into ego. Just sharing thoughts and enjoying the company of this group. Best ~ DW.
KJWayne:
Iraq is Iraq. We've all been waiting for a long time. Alittle longer will not change anything. Besides ,what can we do about it, nothing! DO NOT LET THIS GET TO YOU! It will happen in its own time frame. Go hug someone and feel better about yourself.
DeamWeaver:
KJ, although I've always been a hugger with my husband ... I've started to hug my family and friends again ... since your heartfelt post, shared with this group.
Valuing people and letting them know they matter and they are loved or even liked is now uppermost in my mind. thank you for replanting a seed that I let wither over the years as I felt I was being too demonstrative. Now I just go for it! :) You are oh so right, KJ. Blessings
Brule:
Even ISIS can pull together a government quickly:
Organization "Daash" terrorist announce the formation of "the first government in Iraq and the Levant" after the announcement of the succession Baghdadi
News Source: Ali Abd al-SalmanSection:
August 8, 2014 12:08
Announced the organization of "the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant" (Daash) terrorist formation of what is called "the first government in Iraq and the Levant" after the announcement of succession to the terrorist called «Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi».
A spokesman for the terrorist organization Daash called «Abu Mohammed Adnani» in a video clip posted on the sites belonging to the Daash was formed the so-called Ministry of Islamic.
This was followed by the terrorist Adnani the names of the new ministers, who are the terrorists «Abu Abdul Rahman agricultural» and the first minister to the faithful, and «Abu Hamza al-Muhajir» minister of war, and «Abu Othman al-Tamimi» Minister of bodies legitimacy, «Abu Bakr al-Jubouri» Minister of Public Relations, «Abu Abdul-Jabbar al-Janabi »Minister of Public Security,« Abu Mohammed al-Mashhadani »Minister of Information,« Abu Abd al-Qadir al-Issawi »Minister for Affairs of martyrs and prisoners,« Abu Mohammed al-Janabi »oil minister,« Mustafa al-Araji »Minister of Agriculture and Fisheries,« Abu Abdullah al-Zaidi » Minister of Health.
http://burathanews.com/news/244458.html
JBG:
Years ago Allawi said if he was PM he could seat a government in 2 days so these guys should be able to do the same thing....
much more at stake these days than four years ago....and no Maliki this time............
his days of getting in the way are over and it is time for him to face the facts and go away....wishing out loud.
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