He Bayraqdar that "the Federal Court issued a decision in 2010 interpreted Article 76 of the Constitution," adding that "this decision has become enforceable and binding on all the authorities."
Good morning tlar and everyone!
Haven't they already ruled on this?
I sure hope you are right about Maliki not receiving immunity.
He should pay for what he's done but this is Iraq and very little surprises me anymore. Thanks for all you do tlar by sharing your perspective in this confusing and frustrating investment.
I was just thinking this morning, the situation must be getting better. I haven't seen anything about the Kurds breaking from Iraq..
They ruled on it in the 2010 elections.
That is why the court always refers back to that ruling.
The SOL (State of Law) will continue to say they are the largest block but they too along with Maliki signed the document in 2010 saying the NA (National Alliance)is the largest block.
Now they are saying its a forged document but other signatories are saying they witnessed the SOL and Maliki sign it as they themselves signed it.
This is just a false SOL argument intended to be a negotiating tactic by creating what they hope is a vehicle to throw another monkey wrench in the deal.
They hope to get full immunity in trade for "the largest block" and Maliki stepping down.
It is their last ditch effort .
It won't work.
In separate articles from the coalition who is a large part of the NA, (National Alliance) the NA has already said they will attend parliament on Tuesday and in another article they have said they will announce their nominee on Monday. tlar
Thanks, Tlar, for the article and your comments.
Do you think there is anything to the rumor that Maliki will be an MP? How does that work? Is he an MP now, but not sworn in ... or does he need to do something else to be a legit MP? Don't understand, Tlar, as IF he was voted in as MP in last election ... which as I understand it, he was ... then why couldn't or wouldn't he stay on as an MP.
That will solve immunity issue and feed his egotistical need to feel as though he is still needed by Iraqi people.
Tlar, I just don't see him running before someone is actually chasing him. Right now there is no one chasing him, so why wouldn't he stay on as MP and wait to run until international community chases him ... seriously chases him ... and not just a smattering of articles here and there.
IMO these type of manical, delusional dictators don't ever run until someone is hunting them down ...
so I'm not expecting Maliki to disappear from the scene. I fully expect him to be standing up on the podium during speeches by legit GOI PM and President, waiving his arms and thanking HIS beloved Iraqi people for their support.
He's batshite crazy and in my experience these type of people do not make logical choices or moves.
JMO ... though I hope you're correct on this one, my friend, as I'd love to see this blight to Iraq not only gone but punished. Best. ~ DW
The tone of the articles are now saying the coalition is just basically ignoring all the BS coming out of the SOL.
(State of Law)
The SOL is disintegrating everyday now as their president continues to say we will nominate Maliki.
If there was a vote today I don't believe the SOL would get more than 30-40 votes period. The negotiations IMO (in My Opinion) are done.
As usual the SOL (State of Law) and Maliki let that potential slide to the last minute hoping to muscle a deal for immunity.
With defections like the Badr organization and others, the SOL missed that opportunity and has lost all potential for good will that earlier they might have taken advantage of.
Notice there are no articles saying Hakim or anyone is meeting with the SOL.
Other than meetings between coalition members there looks to be no more talks.
Notice also this late in the game and the news has been reduced to just trading barbs;
Hardly what you would expect to see with the parliament convening in two days.
The coalition looks to have basically stopped negotiating and just waiting for Tuesday.
I believe the coalition's attitude is "d*** the torpedo's, full steam ahead".
"We are ready and we have the votes." tlar
On the heels of Tlar's comment, I was just sent this....
Shi'ite lawmakers: the rule of law disintegrated .. and formulate guarantees for the withdrawal of al-Maliki Today.
I don't believe this article.
I don't believe that they would grant him full immunity nor do I believe his party would play prominently in the new government gaining ministries etc.
Of course "this" is Iraq. tlar
Highlighting for Ralph's wall of text:
-On the heels of Tlar's comment, I was just sent this.... Ralph
Shi'ite lawmakers: the rule of law disintegrated .. and formulate guarantees for the withdrawal of al-Maliki Today.
Shi'ite lawmakers: the rule of law disintegrated .. and formulate guarantees for the withdrawal of al-Maliki BAGHDAD / Mohammad Sabah.
He said three of the deputies, on Saturday, that's insistence reference Najaf on the APPLICATION of the principle of "Change and Reform," which advocated by most of the national forces, may resolve the position of most of the parties within the National Alliance, which has become convinced of providing an alternative candidate for Nouri al-Maliki, head of the caretaker government,
pointing out that the Liberals and the citizen currently negotiating with all components of the "rule of law" with the exception of the Dawa party, which means that this list practically disintegrated during the talks.
-This comes at a time Deputy for al-Sadr, the Shiite parties, has already begun, to provide guarantees for failure to prosecute al-Maliki prosecuted while pulling his candidacy for the presidency of the government, and that at his request, and the requirements of "the transfer of quiet authority."
and want most Iraqi parties, a change in the political team for the government, designed message existence project a serious review and reform, and the promise that a critical step to absorb the anger and protest and calm climate troubled exploited by terrorist groups for months,
and ended up collapsing military, putting the country at a dangerous crossroads. emerged reference Najaf as a basic party in this call, loaded with politicians responsibility activate reforms, to face the repercussions of the collapse of military sudden.
-MP said the bloc citizen Hassan sari in an interview with "long", that the National Alliance has decided to attend the meeting of the Council of Representatives to be held next Tuesday, all the mass, "adding," but did not agree components so far , a candidate for prime minister. "
is not expected to force lead "the next meeting to resolve the issue of the prime minister, because of internal disputes within the National Alliance on personalities nominated for this position,"
noting that the rigidity Nuri al-Maliki's nomination, another resolution of the candidate's name within the National Alliance " .
and follow the leadership of the Supreme Council that "the blocks that fall within the National Alliance rejects categorically the renewal of the third term of the owners on the grounds that the presidential candidate of the Council of Ministers must have the admissibility national within the coalition and blocks other national."
-said allies of the owners within the state law repeatedly this week, They're with the condition of admissibility stipulated by reference, and came such statements on the lips of leaders of the Badr Organisation, (25 seats within Maliki's bloc) and carried a clear signal from the cracked alliance.
noted applicable to "all the mechanisms developed by the National Alliance regarding its candidate for prime minister and most important of acceptability among masses national, not available in the candidate state law, Nuri al-Maliki, "
noting that most of the blocks of the National Alliance and other political blocs are conservative on his candidacy."
-so stressed Secretary General of the Islamic Jihad and the building of the Supreme Council of the Islamic Hassan Jihad, that the National Alliance is committed to the directives religious authority that called in earlier to change and not to cling to positions,
taking into account the public interest "and expressed confidence that the National Alliance will be able in the coming days to nominate its candidate for prime minister in accordance with the directives of the reference in Najaf."
and on what is being said about the existence of talks between the National Alliance and parts of the block state law on the prime minister,
pointed out in force that "negotiations are continuing between the blocs of the Liberals and the citizens and all the blocks of the state of law,
with the exception of the Islamic Dawa Party, about to accelerate in the naming of the Prime Minister."
-and pointed out that "these discussions focused heavily on the preservation of the National Alliance and the lack exclusion or marginalization of any block of blocks Alliance, "
noting that these negotiations you want to resolve the issue frameworks quiet correct that is to withdraw the nomination of al-Maliki of the JOB and put the alternative."
and that "all the components of the rule of law except block the Islamic Dawa Party, with blocks Liberals The citizen and the virtue and the Reform Movement,
unwilling Maliki's nomination for prime minister in response to the directives of the religious authority. "
-In this context, illustrates the MP for the Liberal bloc parliamentary Tariq Kikhany that the alliance continues to debates about the name of its candidate for prime minister,
with a commitment to the opinion of the religious authority that called for change. " and between Kikhany told the "term", that stuck-Maliki candidacy for the post of prime minister has hampered the National Alliance for providing the candidate of the political blocs,
"stressing that all the blocks that fall within the rule of law shown flexibility in presenting a consensus candidate rather than al-Maliki in response to the opinion of reference."
-and added that "The National Alliance will resolve naming its candidate for prime minister in accordance with the timings constitutional" and confirms the MP "that al-Maliki began looking for assurances from the blocks of the National Alliance on non-accountable legally on all the events that occurred in the previous period,"
explaining that "blocks the coalition gave him assurances in return withdraw his nomination the post of prime minister. "
He pointed out that "part of this is to grant assurances may Maliki locations in prominent state institutions."
Tlar.. the article is giving us some very interesting perspective...
-It says maliki is DEFINITLY Out.. but then talks about immunity... but it CLEARLY is an admission that Maliki is NOT going to be the PM... and that Dawa is crumbling.. and the SoL is changing shape.
-What it says to me is that the Maliki Camp has shifted gears big time.. and they are now scrambling to get him immunity and have dropped the bluster that he will serve a 3rd term.
-That is big I think.
- "As I was sneaking out the back stairs and down the street.. I heard the landlady screaming about the front rent. She aint gettin' the front rent. She aint gettin' the back rent. She aint gettin' none of it." ~ George Thorogood
I'll believe Maliki is out when he is OUT! Good to see him go. Get this NEW government in place and functioning. Get Turki and the CBI doing the push the button thing.
Thanks for the breakdown. My favorite part: "The National Alliance will resolve naming its candidate for prime minister in accordance with the timings constitutional"
As long as they keep following their Constitution, we will get there.
I've followed you for years and have always loved your no bull, no hype analysis.
My heart tells me that you're the real deal.
That said, most of the dinar community is of the strong opinion that Maliki will not win a third term - me included.
However, Frank and Delta from KTFA are 100% convinced that Maliki will in fact win a third term after all. It almost seems as though they know something we don't.
Is it possible we've underestimated Maliki and that he's found a loophole of sorts?
I just have this sinking feeling that he will worm his way back in again like he did in 2010...
I prey my gut is wrong as logic tells me that if in fact he is reelected, our investment will be put on an indefinite hold yet again... Thanks for all of your dedication and effort my friend.
ahwman, for what its worth, it is interesting how divided the community is over Maliki. But, I think it is worth noting that if you take the side of Frank, Delta and any other pro Maliki gurus I would think you would also have to go along with their belief that they do not see Maliki being the PM again as being a problem for us in this investment. I
t seems like the only ones that feel Maliki will keep us from the RV are those who do not think he is going to be PM again.
I love Tlars take on the contradictory and confusing articles. But, who is not concerned wondering if our take on things here is correct?
When the presidency went to someone who no one was predicting I found that to be pretty humbling. I still don't feel I have a handle on what the CBI is looking for when they refer to political and economic stability. Whatever the case it looks like we should have a clearer picture within a week.
Still praying for that RV
Tlar, What about this article that was posted this morning in the Iraqi press? I am not sure what to think about it other than Maliki hopeium and wishful thinking...
The 4th paragraph where it talks about immunity is a bit worrisome. The question I have is hasn't the 1st and 2nd Vice Presidents been chosen and voted on already? -- Randy
No objection for Maliki to have vice-presidency post, National Alliance
Baghdad/ Iraq TradeLink: The National Alliance confirmed its non-objection that Premier Nouri al-Maliki to get the vice-presidency post, if he was totally rejected.
National Alliance Tariq al-Khikani stated that both Sadrist affiliated Ahrar and Muwatin blocs "do not need the posts offered by Maliki for supporting him for the third term", becausethey have their electoral weight and parliamentary seats.
He re-iterated his alliance's rejection of Maliki to have the third premiership term.
No exact nomination was given by the National Alliance for the premiership post till now, amid hectic differences with the Alliance itself.
On the other hand, Higher Islamic Council's sources reported that "quiet" contacts are underway to "give Maliki legal guarantees to acquit him of previous mistakes in return for his withdrawal from premiership post, including giving him an important governmental post".
Mostof the Iraqi parties want changes in the three Presidencies in order to "absorb masses' wrath and objection which were utilized by the terrorist groups for the last few months that led to the military collapse and putting Iraq into "dangerous crossroads".
http://www.iraqtradelinknews.com/2014/08/no-objection-maliki-to-have-vice.html RandyT00 (~_~)
Below Comments From Tlar's earlier post on this topic:
Tlar Comment - The SOL continues to say they are the largest block. They don't want to challange this in court because if they are ruled not the largest block then they will have lost.
This is their last harrah, their last stall to get immunity.
Their last argument.
So between now and Tuesday expect to see this argument get bounced around in the news not the courts. Tuesday the NA will present its candidate.
He will come from the Coalition, most likely Mahdi. The process of building a new non sectarian government will be finished because Mahdi will quickly submit his list of ministers that have been pre-negotiated and pre-agreed upon.
There should not be much screaming from the SOL the minute the nominee is announced because IMO, the heads of the SOL and Maliki will already be on an airplane to parts unknown having unsuccessfully not received the "real" deal they have been seeking from almost the beginning of this, which is immunity. tlar.